An End to Bashing
A Defence of the Twilight Saga
Warning: Spoilers for the Mistborn Trilogy, and Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince ahead.
Introduction
When someone hears the word twilight, few people immediately think of the time between dusk and dawn, between daylight and darkness. Now, the word gets one of two reactionshate or love. Now of course, this is being very general: when I say hate, I mean anything from outright hate to mere dislike; when I say love, I mean anything from outright love to mere tolerance. Few people are neutral in this battle, and fewer still feel that common courtesies of accepting opinions ought to be followed. Since when was it acceptable for people to bash others simply because they like a series someone else hates? It has never been acceptable, and I still feel it remains unacceptable.
There comes a time when people need to grow up. The battle of opinions over the Twilight Saga must end. It has gotten as out-of-hand as the Zutara vs. Kataang shipping wars before the end of Avatar: The Last Airbender. Whether theres a difference of opinion over a book or over a pairing, what good does it do to bash the opinions of others? You only make yourself feel bigger and better, and youre only being a bully. Theres a difference when you parody something (or someone) without malicious intent and when you bash something (or someone) solely because you feel differently. If youre all right with being branded a bully, then please, be my guest, and continue bashing anyone whose opinions differ from yours (whether its over books, pairings, or pickles). The rest of us will simply ignore your wordsno matter how maliciousand go about our lives and proudly support our opinions, no matter how they differ from each other.
Why Bash?
What Reasons do Non-Fans Use for Bashing?
Has no non-fan of the Twilight Saga ever wondered why some people enjoy it so much?
Im sure many of them have. The series is so loved by its fans simply because it could never happen in real life. When you read a fantasy series, you read it because you enjoy the idea of a story which is impossible to occur in reality. The Twilight Saga is a fantasy series, not teen fiction. It may be aimed for teens and young adults, but it is not teen fiction; it is fantasy. The story of an ordinary girl falling in love with an extraordinary boy (or vice-versa)? Its a pathetically common theme among all authors.
What about when Elend Venture fell for Vin in Brandon Sandersons Mistborn Trilogy? Elend was nothing special: he was a noble who read forbidden books at dinner parties to defy his father. You dont get much more ordinary than that. And of course Vinchosen by both Ruin and Preservationwas a Mistborn from birth, and her sister a Seeker. The death of that sisterand subsequent inheritance of power via the Hemalurgic spike used to kill that sisterleft her twice as good at burning bronze as a typical Mistborn (Sanderson, 492). She was extraordinary in the most profound sense and even so, she fell for the most ordinary man of all. Is this not the same formula used for the romance between Bella Swann and Edward Cullen? An ordinary young girl whos a bit more klutzy than most falls for the most ethereal man of all? A man who is no longer alive yet still fully capable of a love that puts her safety before all else? This does not seem to be all that different from Elend and Vin.
A second example might be seen in J.K. Rowlings Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Again, the romance between Bella Swann and Edward Cullen is mirrored by Nymphadora Tonks and Remus Lupin. Tonks was out-of-the-ordinary for a Muggleborn witch who was also a Metamorphmagus but aside from this in-born trait, she was like any other girl. She wasnt talented when it came to simple spells and much like Bella, she was clumsy to a fault. Lupin was in a similar position to Edward: not only was Lupin something he did not wish to be (a werewolf) but his first priority was always Tonkss safety. He had continuously refused to marry her because he claimed he was too old for [her], too poor...too dangerous (Rowling, 582). Even though Lupin loved Tonks, he was willing to give up his own happiness so that she would be safe. Edward was the very same way; he was willing to give up his own happiness so that Bella could return to living a normal life, where she would be safe from sadistic vampires. Whether or not these men succeeded in their plans for the safety of their loved ones is not the issue; the fact is that they acted in the same manner, putting their loves before themselves.
Clearly, this theme is not uncommon in literature. There are a hundreds of examples out there, and I do not have the time to give any more here. I only wish to demonstrate that you cant claim the Twilight Saga is bad based on an unrealistic romance. The romances in any fantasy story are going to be unrealistic. Therefore, this point has no validity. You cannot bash the Twilight Saga based on unrealistic relationships.
Another common point non-fans bring up to bash the series is the quality of the writing.
There is no way to judge the quality of literature. If you have seen the movie Dead Poets Society, youll remember that the textbook the students had gave a specific formula for evaluating how good or bad a poem was. Their teacher had them rip those pages out of their textbooks because there is no way to judge the quality of a poem: either you like it (for whatever reason) or you dont (for whatever reason). The same can be applied to novels.
There is no way to evaluate how good or bad the writing is in a novel. You may think that Stephenie Meyers writing is of poor quality. You are free to think this, and no one should say No, youre wrong! I think its great and Im right!people who do this ought to be ignored. While you are free to think her writing is poor, I am free to think otherwise. I can say: No, I think you are wrong. I enjoy her writing very much, and in my opinion, Ive read much worse. You hear what I think, and you also hear that I am not trying to force this opinion on you. I could give examples for why I think this way, but regardless of what I do to defend my position, the fact remains that the quality of literature is subjective to the reader. What I consider bad writing and what I consider good writing may very well differ greatly from what you consider bad and good writing. That is the essence of opinion: the different thoughts people have on different things.
One other point should be made here: the Twilight Saga was Stephenie Meyers first series. If you arelike myselfa writer (of fanfiction, original stories, poetry, etc.), then you above all should know that one does not become an amazing writer on their very first try, nor even on their second, third or fourth tries. Becoming an amazing author takes time. No one starts out as an amazing author. We might be okay, but we never begin as the best of the best. This holds true for Stephenie Meyer. Her writing will improve the more she writes, if she chooses to continue. Whether you like it then remains subjective to the way you like your literature. You may still think her writing is bad, and thats fine. Its your opinion. All I wish to say is that any argument against her books cannot be based upon the quality of her writing.
Therefore, bashing her writing also holds no validity. If the quality of writing is subjective to the reader, no one can make a valid argument based on this point. You dont have to like her or her writing, however you also have no right to criticize it so much that it would make anyone want to curl up into a ball or crawl under a rock and never write again. When you do that, youre nothing more than a bully. Constructive criticism is one thing; malicious criticism is unacceptable.
A third reason for bashing: the fans.
Of all the reasons for bashing the Twilight Saga that Ive come across, this one has to be the worst. How can you hate something because of the fans? If you like it, you like it, and thats that. If you hate it, you hate it, and thats that. But to say you hate it because of the fans? Thats ridiculous. Why would you let anyone else control your opinions?
By saying you hate it (whether or not you liked it to begin with) because of the fans you are essentially letting the fans control your opinions. If you dont like it, thats great but please, make it for a reason other than the fans. Stand on your own two feet, and make up some valid arguments.
Another thing about the fans: dont you dare paint us all with the same brush. First of all, were not all pre-teen girlsmen and women of all ages like these books too. Secondly, you have no right to speak of pre-teen girls in such a demeaning way. Thirdly, most of us are respectful of the opinions of others. Not everyone is as classless as some of the fans and non-fans. Do not presume to say that we are all the same. Not all non-fans are classless, and not all fans are classless. It is as simple as that.
Speaking of young girls (and potentially boys as well), instead of criticising these people for their choice in reading material, why dont you applaud them and encourage them? Adults dont just say that kids dont read nowadays for no reason: most dont. Theyre more interested in clothes, makeup, video games and the opposite sex to care about reading. If they are reading the Twilight Saga, you should be encouraging them to read more! You can suggest books you think are better or that may be similar to what they are reading so that a book will capture their interest. Have some respect for what other people enjoy.
Writing Quality Revisited
The Series Compared
As stated above, you cannot solely base your argument against the series on the quality of the writing. You are free to dislike it, and free to say that. So long as you have good examples which you can back up, you can use this as a support to your argument against the series. However, you need something much more solid to base your argument on in its entirety. This solidity comes in the form of accepting and respecting that there are people who have the opposite opinions. You are free to say what you think, but it is rendered useless and laughable when you refuse to accept and respect differing opinions in a mature manner.
This brings us to good literature which supposedly outclasses the Twilight Saga. Do not get me wrong; I am not saying that this series is the very best of the best. Frankly, I think it could be much better, but I also think its pretty darn good.
Many arguments bring up the notion of good literature. As we have concluded, writing quality is subjective. So it is impossible to make a list of good literature because there cannot be a unanimous conclusion on it.
First of all, many people like to bring up Shakespeare. He is practically the king of playwriting and sonnets, and I myself adore his work very much. However, you cannot compare Stephenie Meyer to Shakespeare and say that Shakespeare is better. They write for very different categories. Stephenie Meyer writes novels. Shakespeare wrote plays and poetry. These categories of writing are incomparable. You cannot compare a playwright with a novelist. Plays and novels are two very distinct types of literature, and so an author of one cannot be compared to an author of the other. You can connect them in an essay all you like, but when all is said and done, you cannot say one is better than the other as they write for totally different categories.
A novelist is only comparable to another novelist. Just like you cant compare apples and oranges, you cant compare a novelist to a playwright.
In that case, shall we compare her to J.K. Rowling, another favourite of non-fans? Well again, there is no question: J.K. Rowling is by far the better author, in my most humble opinion. Stephenie Meyer doesnt even come close to the kind of storytelling J.K. Rowling is capable of. However, this doesnt make Stephenie Meyer a bad author. I dont want to repeat myself, but if literature quality is subjective, then I can like both of them, and consider them both good authors. How I would rank them is neither here nor there; the fact remains is that she is only comparable to another novelist and can still be considered a pretty good author. You dont have to agree with me; you simply need to accept how Ior anyone elsefeels about this issue.
Of course, I think J.K. Rowling is far outclassed as well. It is possible for every author to be outclassed by another simply because literature quality is subjective. Personally, my most favourite author is Robert Jordanin my opinion, no one can even come close to comparing with his work. I look up to him more than any other author. Yet, even so, I still enjoy J.K. Rowlings works and Stephenie Meyers: is this not an example that writing quality is subjective to the reader? What I consider good work may not be what you do, and therefore writing quality is subjective to the reader.
The Conclusion
Accept and Respect
After going through countless stamps, fan works, and the like here on deviantART and on other sites, Ive tried to address the big points non-fans bring up against the series and against fans. In the end, this War of Opinions is simply ridiculous and needs to come to an end. Non-fans are welcome to dislike the books and the fans. The least you can do, however, is accept the fact that there are those who disagree with you and respect their opinions and feelings. Its not that hard to express yourself in a polite, mature manner.
Fans are welcome to love the books and dislike the non-fans. The least you can do, however, is accept the fact that there are those who disagree with you and respect their opinions and feelings. Its not that hard to express yourself in a polite, mature manner.
And if you are incapable of being polite and mature for any reason, dont say anything at all.
Citations
Rowling, J.K. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Vancouver, British Columbia: Raincoast Books, 2005.
Sanderson, Brandon. The Hero of Ages. New York, NY: Tom Doherty Associates, 2008.














Comments
I'd give it 10 thumbs up, i really enjoyed reading it and it was amazingly written, congrats!
However i did find what you said about pickels really funny, no clue why. Just makes me laugh
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Thing is, if you like it, that's cool, and if you don't, that's cool too. Anyone--basher or fan--who says otherwise needs to be ignored (or whacked over the head with a pillow XP) 'cause if you ignore them, then everything they say means nothing XD People shouldn't even answer people who can't respect their opinion.
Yeah, debating is one thing :3 Having a good, if spirited debate, is fun. Fighting because you can't agree and there's not even an "agree to disagree" thing is stupid. I like debates too
LOL Yeah the pickles thing...was partly a stupid lame inside joke on my part and partly because it was the first thing to come to mind for that line XD
Thanks for reading and commenting~
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First, you claim that Twilight "antis" as I call them bash the series because they consider the romance unrealistic. Personally, I've never heard this argument used, nor does it make much sense. One reason most antis fault the romance is because Edward's "redeeming" qualities are often considered that of an abusive partner; the overprotectiveness, jealousy, and unwillingness to let her do anything on her own are very reminescent of abusive men. The fact that Bella abandons her friends, family, and former interests only makes the veiled abusive relationship more apparent. Another reason this romance is faulted is because while most of the series revolves around Bella and Edward, neither has a very well developed character. I read all of the books and found both of these characters to be very bland for this very reason.
Second, you mention not being able to compare Stephanie Meyers to other authors because she hasn't had much experience with writing. I find this argument to be completely illogical; while it is true that first time authors do not have the experience of authors who have written many books, she could have taken more time to revise her work and improve her craft. For example, Harper Lee's novel "To Kill a Mockingbird" is often considered a literary masterpiece. This was also Lee's first novel. Why is this book's craft so wonderful? Lee spent all of two years simply revising this one book. Considering that Meyers finished the book - writing and revising, that is - within six months, her only excuse for her unskilled writing is an utter lack of revision.
Third, you have an argument about Meyers' writing skill being a matter of opinion. A common argument of intelligent antis is that the figurative language and descriptions used in her writing are bland and cliche. The fast-forward comparison during the graduation scene in Eclipse and comparing Edward to a Pagan god are two examples of this. Another fault with her writing is that she abuses description to the point that it overshadows the plot, making the entire story bland. There is such a thing as too much description; my classmates and I discovered this when we read (dare I say it?) Great Expectations by Charles Dickens. In both Great Expectations and Twilight, so much description is used that it draws away from the action of a scene, leaving the reader confused when something else happens because they missed what happened before. Therefore, many antis, including myself, consider this to be poor writing.
Perhaps you can refute me in an essay or just a comment? I would like to see that.
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Before I wrote this, and while I wrote, I was looking around dA and other sites/groups, reading comments and reviews, and the one thing I did see come up a few times was the "unrealistic romance" point. I don't think it makes much sense either, but I thought I could include it anyway. I mean, it's a romance between a teenage girl and a vampire. I mean, there isn't really any way that such a romance could ever be completely realistic; no matter who writes it, such a romance would always be unrealistic to some degree at least. Some authors can just pull it off better than others, right?
I would have to agree that both of them could be better developed characters, but then again, that could be said of most of the characters. I see what you're saying, about their relationship having abusive overtones but I always found from reading the books that Bella herself rather encouraged these things in some ways. She was never that interested in her friends even before she met Edward and she didn't seem to have many hobbies to start with. She gave everything up, as you say, but she didn't seem to have much to give up. That's part of why I didn't really address that point at all; if she encourages it, then it seems to negate it being totally Edward.
As for revising and editing, well you bring up an excellent point, and I do agree. I don't mean to say that I adore her style and I do think that there's a lot of room for improvement. I can't very well refute your point here, to be perfectly honest. Indeed, she should have revised more, but the fact remains that she didn't. Therefore, the books must be accepted at their current level of writing. And, if I may say so, I think part of her problem wasn't simply a lack of revision; I think it has a lot to do with a plot that she didn't flesh out nearly as well as she could have. The writing itself isn't that bad, I don't think. To me, it's more the poorly executed plot and the underdeveloped characters that fall short.
To your third point, while she does use unnecessary amounts of description and figurative language, I never found myself confused in terms of the plot. This might have something to do with the plot being incredibly easy to follow, but regardless, I ended up not noticing her overuse of description so much. My mind ended up skimming over it because it was so easy to understand what she was getting at without really taking every word in. Having not read "Great Expectations" myself, I can understand what you mean. Personally, I did get the confused feeling you described when I read "Wurthering Heights" (which, incidentally, I found incredibly boring despite the description).
Personally, I find her writing is poorest in terms of her poorly-developed characters and plot.
I do see what you're saying though, and I do thank you for commenting ^^ I don't mean to start a war or anything over whether or not the series is good; I merely want some of the bashers to grow up. I don't particularly care if people hate it, but if they must discuss it, I feel that they should do it maturely and appropriately.
I see too many comments too often that turn into bashing fans as well as the books, and that's just not fair. People are allowed to like and dislike whatever they want, but that doesn't give anyone--fan or anti--to bash each other as well. Bash the books, fine. Debate about the books, fine. But they should be polite about it, right? Neither side should be so cruel as to bash the author mercilessly or each other mercilessly. No need to love the books, author or the other side, but there is a need to respect opinions. I don't think that's too much to ask
So again, thank you for your comment ^^ If school ever stops trying to kill me under the weight of my textbooks, I might be able to revise my little essay here thanks to your points ^^
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"Ike...Please live...Even if all the cities burn, and the seas swallow Tellius...You mustn't die...Not you..." -Soren (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
It's very nice to see a Twilight fan actually being civil in a debate, and it's even nicer to see one that actually recognizes the fact that the book has flaws. Seeing the flame wars between fans and antis really bothers me.
I'm flattered that you want to include my points somewhat in your essay. Thank you.
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It is nice to have a civil conversation with an anti and a fan~ I mean, it's all up to opinion right? It makes me sad to see so many people get so worked up over a book that they say mean things to others, friends or otherwise. And really, if people stopped arguing over the books so much, fans and antis could be friends~ (I'm sure there are some, but...some people seem really set against it XD)
Yeah, the book has lots of flaws XD I'd be lying to say it doesn't. In one way, I'm not entirely sure why I like it XD It's like...you read a book and there are so many reasons you can SEE that it's bad, but...somehow you just enjoy reading it XD If nothing else, it does make me laugh
Yes, if you're all right with it, whenever I go back to editing it again, I would really like to include some of your points <3 Talking about the series with an anti will help me improve it for sure ^^ And really, re-reading it now, I can see lots of places that I could improve. You've been a great help for that~ <3
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"Ike...Please live...Even if all the cities burn, and the seas swallow Tellius...You mustn't die...Not you..." -Soren (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
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"Ike...Please live...Even if all the cities burn, and the seas swallow Tellius...You mustn't die...Not you..." -Soren (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
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